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		<title>Comment on To Be a Gracious But Angry Christian Asian American Woman by my last post (i think) on deadly vipers: asian cultural exegesis, grown men crying, and turning the other cheek &#171; eugene cho</title>
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		<dc:creator>my last post (i think) on deadly vipers: asian cultural exegesis, grown men crying, and turning the other cheek &#171; eugene cho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of a book entitled Deadly Vipers. This past week, a few of us including Soong Chan Rah and Kathy Khang shared a conference call with both authors of the book and on a separate day, w/ some of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of a book entitled Deadly Vipers. This past week, a few of us including Soong Chan Rah and Kathy Khang shared a conference call with both authors of the book and on a separate day, w/ some of the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on To Be a Gracious But Angry Christian Asian American Woman by Melody Hanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melody Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>following this on FB via Jimmy McGee, and just getting into the heart of it.  Keep thinking of the quote &quot;The way things are is not the way things have to be&quot; Chris Rice.  I am &#039;with you&#039; on the women piece. Who is at the table? Who has the power.  Who has a voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>following this on FB via Jimmy McGee, and just getting into the heart of it.  Keep thinking of the quote &#8220;The way things are is not the way things have to be&#8221; Chris Rice.  I am &#8216;with you&#8217; on the women piece. Who is at the table? Who has the power.  Who has a voice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Direct Plea to My Guests Visiting From Angry Asian Man by gracex2</title>
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		<dc:creator>gracex2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy, I am really glad that you are taking part in these discussions.  It is so encouraging (and necessary) for me to see an Asian American woman included in the conversation.  I know it is tiring work.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy, I am really glad that you are taking part in these discussions.  It is so encouraging (and necessary) for me to see an Asian American woman included in the conversation.  I know it is tiring work.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on To Be a Gracious But Angry Christian Asian American Woman by Kathy Khang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Khang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, dear Sister! AMEN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, dear Sister! AMEN!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saying Goodbye to the Green Card &#8211; Step 2 &amp; of Course More Deadly Viper by Josh Deng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Deng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha.  I&#039;ll soon be in the process of citizenship too; but I think I&#039;ll have to study all of those questions...yikes...

after some good conversation with some folks around me, I realized that the biggest qualm I have against this whole issue is not that they were intentionally or unintentionally offending; one could say the authors (and perhaps even Zondervan, but I doubt it) were on the culturally ignorant side, aka, they just didn&#039;t know.  This is a good thing because there&#039;s always room to learn!  And we as brothers and sisters in Christ are the best people to teach and admonish one another.

The real impact I see this book (and its compliments) could have is its further influence on those that are not yet culturally sensitive.  The people that haven&#039;t been around Asians in their life are the ones that randomly ask you, &quot;do you know kung fu?&quot; and the ones that yell &quot;ching chong ching chong&quot; as you drive by (that happened this August!).  You can&#039;t really blame them, because they got their idea of an Asian from kung fu movies and such.

For those that have not been around Asian folks growing up, if they were to pick up this book, their idea of &quot;what an Asian looks and acts like&quot; would be consequently influenced (or further influenced) by the contents of this book.  I could see this as potentially furthering cultural ignorance, even though not intentionally.  I don&#039;t want to see a Christian book having the possibility of encouraging thought like that.

I also wonder what reaction it would spark from a nonbeliever who is Asian.  Would they not really care and move on, or would they take offense?  If they do take offense, what stain would come upon their view of Christians?

These are just my thoughts, but hope it helps!  Boy, I&#039;d love to listen in on this conversation.  Good luck! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha.  I&#8217;ll soon be in the process of citizenship too; but I think I&#8217;ll have to study all of those questions&#8230;yikes&#8230;</p>
<p>after some good conversation with some folks around me, I realized that the biggest qualm I have against this whole issue is not that they were intentionally or unintentionally offending; one could say the authors (and perhaps even Zondervan, but I doubt it) were on the culturally ignorant side, aka, they just didn&#8217;t know.  This is a good thing because there&#8217;s always room to learn!  And we as brothers and sisters in Christ are the best people to teach and admonish one another.</p>
<p>The real impact I see this book (and its compliments) could have is its further influence on those that are not yet culturally sensitive.  The people that haven&#8217;t been around Asians in their life are the ones that randomly ask you, &#8220;do you know kung fu?&#8221; and the ones that yell &#8220;ching chong ching chong&#8221; as you drive by (that happened this August!).  You can&#8217;t really blame them, because they got their idea of an Asian from kung fu movies and such.</p>
<p>For those that have not been around Asian folks growing up, if they were to pick up this book, their idea of &#8220;what an Asian looks and acts like&#8221; would be consequently influenced (or further influenced) by the contents of this book.  I could see this as potentially furthering cultural ignorance, even though not intentionally.  I don&#8217;t want to see a Christian book having the possibility of encouraging thought like that.</p>
<p>I also wonder what reaction it would spark from a nonbeliever who is Asian.  Would they not really care and move on, or would they take offense?  If they do take offense, what stain would come upon their view of Christians?</p>
<p>These are just my thoughts, but hope it helps!  Boy, I&#8217;d love to listen in on this conversation.  Good luck! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on A Joint Statement From the Teleconference Yesterday by we&#8217;ve blogged about it. now, let&#8217;s get together&#8230; &#171; eugene cho</title>
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		<dc:creator>we&#8217;ve blogged about it. now, let&#8217;s get together&#8230; &#171; eugene cho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the hour conversation, I was encouraged by the honest conversations from everyone involved and the shared conviction that we did not want this to be a one hit (one chat &amp; out) wonder a la Men at Work (remember [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the hour conversation, I was encouraged by the honest conversations from everyone involved and the shared conviction that we did not want this to be a one hit (one chat &amp; out) wonder a la Men at Work (remember [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Joint Statement From the Teleconference Yesterday by Kathy Khang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Khang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Peggy! I just watched the video and am scrolling through the chapter that is available on-line, and I&#039;m with you...I think...but I&#039;d like to be able to articulate why this doesn&#039;t offend me in the same way Deadly Viper does. I like the analogy and the story. I like that the font on the site isn&#039;t &quot;Asian-looking&quot;.

Why is your reaction to this different than to DV?

What about the rest of you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Peggy! I just watched the video and am scrolling through the chapter that is available on-line, and I&#8217;m with you&#8230;I think&#8230;but I&#8217;d like to be able to articulate why this doesn&#8217;t offend me in the same way Deadly Viper does. I like the analogy and the story. I like that the font on the site isn&#8217;t &#8220;Asian-looking&#8221;.</p>
<p>Why is your reaction to this different than to DV?</p>
<p>What about the rest of you?</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Joint Statement From the Teleconference Yesterday by Peggy E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kathy, I was wondering if you&#039;ve ever heard of this:

http://www.wasabigospel.com/

I don&#039;t find this concept offensive like the Deadly Vipers stuff. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kathy, I was wondering if you&#8217;ve ever heard of this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wasabigospel.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wasabigospel.com/</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t find this concept offensive like the Deadly Vipers stuff. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Joint Statement From the Teleconference Yesterday by Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so proud of your being a part of all this with an important voice of vulnerability and fearlessness (well, at least it seems that way).  You are such a blessing, Kathy!  I&#039;m sooooo glad to hear it went well &amp; that proper steps are being taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so proud of your being a part of all this with an important voice of vulnerability and fearlessness (well, at least it seems that way).  You are such a blessing, Kathy!  I&#8217;m sooooo glad to hear it went well &amp; that proper steps are being taken.</p>
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		<title>Comment on To Be a Gracious But Angry Christian Asian American Woman by andkim</title>
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		<dc:creator>andkim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another somewhat random comment that may or may not mean anything or be related to this discussion:

In responding to the Deadly Vipers fiasco I frequently began my posts, entries, emails, facebook msgs with &quot;As an Asian American&quot; or &quot;As a Korean American&quot;.... but in writing this post, I hesitated over writing &quot;As a man&quot;... I almost considered not writing it because I assumed it would be obvious. My first reaction was &quot;that sounds silly&quot; or &quot;that seems unnecessary.&quot; After I probably spent 30 seconds thinking about that, I decided to go with a more casual &quot;As a guy&quot; (I was tempted to write ultra-casual &quot;As a dude&quot;). Reading Paul&#039;s preface made me realize what an interesting internal dilemma I had, even if it only was for a few fleeting moments.

Whereas with my ethnicity, it was a no brainer for me to self-identify myself along my ethnic lines.

I wonder what that says about how I view gender and my identity as a man? What that says about the power of ethnicity versus the power of gender?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another somewhat random comment that may or may not mean anything or be related to this discussion:</p>
<p>In responding to the Deadly Vipers fiasco I frequently began my posts, entries, emails, facebook msgs with &#8220;As an Asian American&#8221; or &#8220;As a Korean American&#8221;&#8230;. but in writing this post, I hesitated over writing &#8220;As a man&#8221;&#8230; I almost considered not writing it because I assumed it would be obvious. My first reaction was &#8220;that sounds silly&#8221; or &#8220;that seems unnecessary.&#8221; After I probably spent 30 seconds thinking about that, I decided to go with a more casual &#8220;As a guy&#8221; (I was tempted to write ultra-casual &#8220;As a dude&#8221;). Reading Paul&#8217;s preface made me realize what an interesting internal dilemma I had, even if it only was for a few fleeting moments.</p>
<p>Whereas with my ethnicity, it was a no brainer for me to self-identify myself along my ethnic lines.</p>
<p>I wonder what that says about how I view gender and my identity as a man? What that says about the power of ethnicity versus the power of gender?</p>
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